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Fossil1's avatar

This madness won't stop me, for one, telling it as it is. Dutton has disappointedly proven that the LNP today are as corrupted and useless as the majority of these parasites in parliament.

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Robyn S's avatar

A lot of people (on here) think Albanese and Labor are bad and Dutton and the LNP are good. I don't think they realise that Dutton and many in his party are just as bad; sometimes in different ways, sometimes in the same ways. After all, the LNP was the party that initiated the first Digital ID system, all the way back in 2015. Yep, totally progressive, right?!

I am like you - I don't care what the 'rules' say. I'll still say it how I think it is! They can't bully me into submission!

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Fossil1's avatar

Agree Robyn, and I'm sure we're in the majority, despite what the political class and the media would have us believe.

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Robyn S's avatar

When I worked for many years in a country town not far from Canberra, which was generally a Labor stronghold, the one thing most of my patients and I tended to agree on was to put all the politicians in a big hole and that would be a good start! :-D

I think people just want GOOD politicians out there. Problem is, there are so few of them.

I live rurally, and most people are not woke. They are not interested in the LBGXYZ alphabet soup thing. But they ARE worried about the state of the economy. And housing availability. They generally don't mind migrants, but they don't want TOO many of them, and they like them to assimilate to a fair degree. I can't fault them on these views.

But there are more city people than country people in Oz. Country people call a spade a spade. City people, well, many don't even know how to use a spade! They're different breeds. I am city bred, so I've spent time in both worlds. And I have to say, I changed my mind about quite a few things living in the country, and I'm glad about that. I'm glad my mind awakened to how things REALLY are. What's relevant in the city is not always relevant in the country - and vice versa. City people ultimately live in a dream world with public transport, shops close by, good schools and the best health care practitioners. Their concerns can be very different to country people, and politically, it certainly shows.

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John Dawes's avatar

This country is beyond help - we'll be on par with the ruin that is the UK within the year, regardless of which major party wins government next. How many times do Labor and the LNP have to prove that they don't serve your interests but rather the interests of those powerful vested interests who determine who gains power here? Been sleeping through the last five years have we? Or too afraid to face reality?

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Fossil1's avatar

Agree totally. We need a President Trump like figure to change things in Australia and I can't think of one. Maybe we could become their 51st state!

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John Dawes's avatar

You'll first have to convince the majority of Australians that there are matters far more important than 'the Sport' and consumerism. Not that Trump, despite the very positive measures he's already taken isn't already proving that he's no supporter of the First Amendment, not if people offend the Donald's powerful backers.

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Fossil1's avatar

After what he's endured in the last 9 -10 years, I'd say he's probably more supportive of observing their constitution than abusing it. As for his backers, if you believe that, I think the past four years have shown what a government will do to protect itself, and I don't see President Trump resorting to those tactics.

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John Dawes's avatar

I think we should insist on the observance of principle, not put faith in any authority figures or the 'heroes' that so many seek, (especially Americans). Pathetically, mankind still seems to have not learned that lesson despite all the disasters of the past. Trump, although I support him in many ways and the prospect of his ridiculous opponent winning was horrifying, is already showing that just like the Democrats his loyalty is to his backers before the Constitution (and Supreme Court precedent) hence his threat to deport any overseas students who have the temerity to criticize Israel. He'll get no serious opposition from a bought and paid for Congress, on either side of the aisle, of course. Alarming.

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SD's avatar

Well the interesting thing about the US Constitution, it only guarantees freedom of speech to US citizens. Not ring ins from overseas who have bought their disgusting ideology that calls for the extinction of all Jews and to wipe Israel off the map. The order directs the Justice Department to 'prosecute terrorist threats, arson, vandalism and violence against American Jews; He said, he would 'Cancel the visas of Hamas sympathisers'. I have people who work on a university campus on a special research program. They were subject to horrific abuse and threats from Australian and foreign Hamas sympathisers before their filthy protest was shut down. Those foreign students deserve no less than to have their visa cancelled.

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John Dawes's avatar

The Constitution refers only to 'the people', a term that has never been defined by the Supreme Court in this context. Consequently court judgements have flipped and flopped, sometimes ruling in favour of government on this issue sometimes not. This is a reflection of America's long standing inability to consistently observe the separation of powers. Politics pervades all, with each administration making appointments to the court primarily on that basis, not objectively on merit. A practice that used to be viewed with disdain by jurists in this country and elsewhere but now we're going the same way. Trump is an exemplar of the weakness, one that's symptomatic of the decline of the West.

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SD's avatar

The only way you get that is to rewrite how we elect, to do that you need to change the constitution so the president can be elected. Those two parties have been trying to do this for decades. Difference is, you don't get to elect your president in his or her merit. Oh no, we become a Republic and the government will offer you a list of 'suitable' Australians to be your President. Careful what you wish for.

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Robyn S's avatar

I think you'll find the latter of your two questions is more on par with how the population is...

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John Dawes's avatar

Yes, I know many, male and female and all ages for whom that is true. They remain the majority. The rest of us just do what we can to avert creation of the nightmare society that they will not dare oppose. As one woman, serving me at DJ's during the scamdemic, said of those who weren't Covid jabbed: "Don't they want to travel?"

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Uta Wild's avatar

Once again they follow the dictates of their beloved leader Klaus Schwab.Those retarded thugs in Canberra haven't yet realised that the people of the world are waking up to the malevolent agendas of the global mafia elite.I never will vote for these 2 parties and never did,they are a pest that has to be eliminated.I am sure this post will send me to jail!!!

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MarilynK's avatar

Traitors, the lot of them.

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MarilynK's avatar

What ever happened to the old Liberals?

In 2014 MP George Brandis said in Parliament, "People have the right to be bigots you know." That comment came after Andrew Bolt was dragged before the High Court and found guilty for breaching section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act. Bolt lost and it sent shivers through conservative Australians.

Tony Abbott promised to have section 18C abolished as part of his election promise in 2014 - then reneged with a ‘‘leadership call.’ Brandis stood beside him like a stunned mullet and said nothing.

Hate speech, such as "gas the Jews" which was chanted at the pro-Palestinian protest, comes under the criminal law of incitement in the Crimes Act 1900 -

Section 93Z Offence of publicly threatening or inciting violence on grounds of race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity or intersex or HIV/AIDS status.

We do not need "hate speech" laws.

Hate Speech Laws = Censorship = Tyranny.

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SD's avatar

Now under the Criminal Code Act 1995 that same statement is exactly what they define as reckless and is a jail offence under 80.2A (1)(a)

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Alan Gray's avatar

Wow - fast approaching the time where quoting the words of Jesus could put us in prison:

“I have come to set the world on fire, and I wish it were already burning! I have a terrible baptism of suffering ahead of me, and I am under a heavy burden until it is accomplished. 51 Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I have come to divide people against each other! 52 From now on families will be split apart, three in favor of me, and two against—or two in favor and three against. ‘Father will be divided against son and son against father; mother against daughter and daughter against mother; and mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.'" Luke 12:49-53

Exciting times!

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Pat Russell's avatar

Tteal lady speaks from side of mouth still unaware of what is being said typical of useless teals

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SD's avatar

I agree with everything put forward here. People need to keep in mind. It goes both ways. Will it be applied equally, that remains to be seen. when they arrest an Islamist and a nationalist extremist for antisemitic behavior or a white entitled anti Australian ripping down a statue and send em to jail for 7 years. We have a good indication its being applied equally. Just remember folks, the Bill is just the amendments to the Criminal Code Act, you need to read the Criminal Code Act 1995 so you get all the context.

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MarilynK's avatar

One Nation voted FOR the Hate Speech laws!

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SD's avatar

Surprise!

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Thelma McInnes's avatar

I think this has been a jack up from the word go! They don’t care about the Jews they just want control of us!!!!

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Karen Quinn's avatar

Is there anything we can do though ??

Isn’t it too late ? Has it been passed ?

How can we fight this ??

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SD's avatar

It has been passed so now the only way to get rid of it is challenge it in the courts as unconstitutional or someone appeals their way into the high court and has their conviction struck down so badly they are forced to repeal the bill. The only other thing that can be done is all good Australians send their member a nasty gram denying them a vote and campaigning against them at the next election. They hate losing votes and it is an election year.

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Uta Wild's avatar

Another " hate speech": I dont stand with Israel,I stand with the poor murdered souls of palestinian babies,children,women and men.I can't praise a man like Netanyahu for terrorising and murdering people who are fighting for their freedom. Was Nelson Mandela are terrorist? People say no,Netanyahu would say yes.If you praise this man,then also Hitler,Stalin,Mao and many other murderous dictators should be praised. This will certainly land me in prison!!!

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Fossil1's avatar

To answer your question; yes Mandela was a terrorist. As for Gaza, it's not murder to retaliate for the atrocities of Oct 7, 2023. It's called defending your country against terrorist savages who use civilians as pawns, so please save your rage for the Hamas scum. But getting back on topic, your views shouldn't see you imprisoned.

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SD's avatar
Feb 6Edited

Actaully, Hamas declared war on Israel and it was a war Hamas have gotten for their stupidity. I don't like war, I don't like seeing people killed and maimed. I hate terorrists which is what Hamas are and I despise their sympathisers, which is what the majority of Palestinian people are. So for the ones that do sympathise, tough duck, you lie with dogs, wake up with fleas. I look forward to seeing the first case in court that is successfully challenged. It will happen.

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